Spanos states his case:
In your essay, “Is Platonism the model for philosophy?” (in this blog) you put “the question of Platonism”: Is philosophy (in general) a form of Platonism (or as Whitehead said, “a series of footnotes to Plato”)? You also quoted Whitehead’s famous statement in full:
“The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato.”
You overlooked a few things. First, a characterization of the European philosophical tradition is not necessarily a characterization of philosophy in general. Second, footnotes to Plato do not have to reflect agreement with Plato’s philosophy. Finally, the “safest general characterization” is not necessarily a completely safe general characterization. These oversights could lead to a straw man argument against Whitehead.
I’m not sure what exactly Whitehead had in mind. According to my best guess, he was thinking that the central theme running through the history of European philosophy from Plato to the present is realism. Most European philosophers have assumed one form or another of realism. In other words, they have assumed that reality has a structure that can be captured in language or represented in terms of the categories that form the basic structural units of language. But there have always been dissenters to this view, and it was the central issue throughout the history of medieval philosophy. Duns Scotus was a particularly noteworthy defender of realism, while William of Occam was an extremely influential dissenter. The twentieth century debate between Einstein and Bohr over the interpretation of quantum experiments is one of those footnotes to Plato in which Einstein insisted on a realist position while Bohr took a rather ambiguous position that smacked of anti-realism (e.g. instrumentalism or pragmatism). At the turn of the century, of course, anti-realism was well represented by Richard Rorty and his fellow post-modernists. Meanwhile, realists were spread out over a range that included both transcendental and materialist versions.
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My reply:
I also ask: What exactly did Whitehead mean by his statement that we can characterize European philosophy as a series of footnotes to Plato? To me this surely suggests that the old metaphysician, Whitehead, was asserting that we can look at European philosophy as a continuation of Plato’s philosophy. After all, what is a mere footnote to the main thesis? It is just a footnote and does not question or reject the main thesis. So now ask yourself, can we characterize the philosophies of the many ‘philosophers’ who are found in the European stream of philosophy as just elaborations on Plato’s philosophy? I submit that the obvious answer is a negative one. Not even the work Plato’s student, Aristotle, who went on to develop his own philosophy, can meaningfully be characterized as a mere footnote to Plato. The same can be said for a large set of philosophers in the European stream.
The fact that the issue of ‘realism’ (e.g. the issue of the status of universals) is an issue that occupied many of those philosophers does not show that their work is just a “footnote to Plato” or a continuation of Platonism. As I tried to show you in an earlier email, and as you seem to have forgotten, there’s much more to Platonism that just preoccupation with the metaphysical issue of ‘realism.’ Affirming that ” that reality has a structure that can be captured in language or represented in terms of the categories that form the basic structural units of language” does not make one a Platonist and does not affirm Plato’s philosophy. At most it shows one point of similarity in very different philosophies.
At best, Whitehead’s famous remark can be taken as a figurative way of saying that many philosophers in the European tradition proceed in somewhat of a spirit of Plato. But his figurative language is surely more misleading than insightful, even when taken as a metaphor.
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Spanos comes back:
This is a problem in hermeneutics! A key principle of hermeneutics is the principle of charity. It applies to situations where we must choose between different possible interpretations of a text. It requires that we choose the interpretation that seems most reasonable or most defensible. You seem to me to have chosen an interpretation that is not very reasonable and not very defensible. We should always try to give the writer we are interpreting as much credit as we can within the constraints of the language he or she uses.
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My reply:
Principle of charity, huh? Just how charitable do we have to be? Carried far enough, the principle of charity would excuse any foolishness that a writer asserts, especially when the writer is a respected professor of philosophy. And your qualifier surely calls for clarification: “as much credit as we can within the constraints of the language he chose to use.” Exactly how do you determine these “constraints” if you’re not to read what is written as meaning what is written, but go out looking for a charitable interpretation to rescue those writers you favor?
Apparently you were applying this principle of charity when you interpret Whitehead’s remark on “philosophy as a footnote to Plato” as just referring to the fact that a number (and only a minority, really) of European philosophers have been preoccupied with the problem of ‘realism’ (“realism” in the sense that universals and general categories have real, independent existence). You might think this is just the principle of charity (oh, that grand “hermeneutics”!) applied. But it strikes me — as I’m sure it strikes many people — as a case of reading into the text what you want to find there. This is similar to a case of the President’s press secretary telling reporters what the President really meant to say when he committed some blooper or other.
Look man, if I tell you that ‘B’ is just a footnote to ‘A’, I’m surely implying that at best ‘B’ is just commentary or clarification of the main thesis ‘A’; if one is using these words in a figurative sense to say something about how we who indulge in the activity of philosophy are in a sense children of Plato, then one should signal more clearly that this figurative language is not to taken too seriously. But this special interpretation would be just that, a special interpretation. It flies in the face of a fact of our linguistic behavior: we use such expression to elevate the main thesis ‘A’ at the expense of ‘B’.
At any rate, even on your charitable interpretation of the Whitehead statement (philosophers are children of Plato), there are great problems with the amended statement about footnotes and Plato; and it is an amended statement, not a case of charitable interpretation at all.
(When in doubt invoke the principles of textual interpretation and that ugly word, “hermeneutics.”)
To me the definition of "Reality" and "Truth" should clarify the the argument. The reality to me is what we know at the moment, but truth could be far off! This happens in science all the time. We even don't know the truth of a single atom, but we know quite a bit about the relationship within it. This is why every truth we know is relative and that is also why progress is a real word. If I am correct in my position then Plato was and is the father and the mother of philosophy.
Comment by Firooz R. Oskooi — December 20, 2010 @ 6:13 pm
Following Foucault’s notion of the archaeology of knowledge, it was not Plato but the author of the “Anaximander fragment” who should be archived as the first artifact in the archaeological museum of Western thought. That said, following John Gunnell, the idea that Western (or any other) thought can be read as an ungoing narrative, a great conversation within the canon of classic texts, is mere mythology. There is no common thread linking Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas or any other Type-A philosopher. Imagining a discourse among them leading to the present day and susceptible to interrogation across space and time is the most superficial conceit of people with far too little to think about seriously. This is not to say that studying ancient (or modern) texts is a waste of time. It can be jolly good fun! But to think that there is a “thread” (so to speak) that connects them is ahistorical nonsense. The narrative is not a three-thousand-year thesis with chapters and footnotes leading to contemporary thought. It is, if anything, a record of an evolutionary process, complete with “speciation” and “transformation” that renders a common argument or a connected series of arguments about common issues literally inconceivable.
Comment by Howard Doughty — February 14, 2012 @ 11:51 am
I believe that my view of the claim that “much of philosophy is but a footnote to Plato” is in general agreement with Doughty’s remarks on the subject; ;however, Doughty states matters in much more refined and sophisticated manner than I can muster. I agree that the idea that there’s a common narrative linking the ancient Greek philosophers to the works of the moderns is mostly a myth, at best possibly a helpful device for ‘reading’ histories o philosophical thought, if not taken too seriously. Thanks, Howard, for your interesting contribution to this exchange of views.
Comment by jbernal — February 15, 2012 @ 10:16 am